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Becky Griffin: All right, so I'm really excited for this week. Butterflies is the theme and if you guys followed any of our social media, I went out looking for some butterflies earlier today. So as Rich mentioned, please use the Q&A panel for questions and don't hold those back because we'll be sorting through. And if you're having problems with the technology or anything like that, or you need to speak with us in the chat,

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Becky Griffin: is the best place. And please go ahead and put where you're calling in from or where you're coming from. First week we had somebody from France and somebody from Sri Lanka, so that's always kind of fun. All right, we are going to get started here.

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Becky Griffin: I'm glad you like our pollinator Spotify playlist that is available to anyone and I know a lot of schools actually use it during the pollinator census. Okay. All right. So we are doing butterflies today. One of my favorite topics. Who doesn't love a good butterfly? And I'm extremely thrilled to have these two speakers today. Our first speaker is Dr. Sonia Altizer.

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Becky Griffin: And she is a professor and she's head of the Department of Entomology at UGA. She is known internationally for her butterfly lab and her butterfly work. So we're really fortunate to have her at UGA. She explores butterfly behavior, migration, conservation, interactions with parasites in the environment with a particular focus on monarchs. Y'all may notice my monarch on my hat today. I also love them.

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Becky Griffin: She is very good at presenting and sharing her love and passion with her knowledge of the incredible diversity of butterflies found across our region and helping people recognize habitats, host plants and ecological connections. So welcome, Sonia. The floor is yours.

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Sonia Altizer: Thank you. Well, thank you very much to Becky and to Richie for putting this series on. It's a pleasure to be here today. And also with Jeremy Rhoden to talk about butterflies as part of the Great Southeast

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Sonia Altizer: And I'll just do a check. I think my screen looks good. Okay, great. And so it's probably going to be obvious that butterflies are absolutely my favorite group of animals, and they are truly amazing creatures. And I feel incredibly lucky to be able to study as part of my career, something that is just so amazing and that I love so much.

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Sonia Altizer: Let's see, I'm gonna just try to figure out how to do the slide advance. Okay, there we go. All right, and I wanted to note, you might have recognized in the previous slide here, this butterfly, which does occur in the southeastern US, but it is not one of our most common butterfly species.

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Sonia Altizer: So if you're quizzing yourself, this was the zebra swallowtail butterfly.

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Sonia Altizer: And one of the reasons why it's not super common is because it's closely associated or found the caterpillars only feed on leaves of the pawpaw tree.

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Sonia Altizer: And they're rarely found far from the pawpaw tree. And the pawpaw tree is the largest fruit that's native to North America. And it's the only temperate member of the custard apple family. And so this slide just shows what the zebra swallowtail caterpillar looks like. And

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Sonia Altizer: what its host plant looks like. So just to kick us off, there's going to be lots and lots of slides featuring different butterflies in the southeast. And as you see them, you can kind of quiz yourself and see if you know what species is being shown.

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Sonia Altizer: So this is a different butterfly species, and this is one that I think all of us recognize. This is this butterfly here is the monarch butterfly, and its migration, ecology, behavior, and interactions with a debilitating parasite are all things that I have studied throughout my career.

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Sonia Altizer: And when I started grad school 20 years ago, I was looking for a research project and I really wanted to study, believe it or not, animal diseases and insect diseases. But I didn't know where to start and a professor in my department at that time, who later became my advisor, lost an entire captive colony of monarch butterflies.

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Sonia Altizer: to this mysterious disease. And one day she just dropped a pile of dead, deformed butterflies on my desk and said, "Sonia, you like studying insect diseases. Maybe you can study this one." And so I did, and I figured out what was killing the butterflies and how to test for it and how common it is out in the wild. And I'm still studying that today. And so it's amazing to me that this one chance event

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Sonia Altizer: changed my life. Because I fell in love with monarchs and their amazing migration. And I've been studying them ever since. And I watch them day in and day out. And every time I see them, I see something slightly different or new. And, you know, to me, studying monarchs never gets old. And I think monarchs serve as an entryway into the amazing world of butterflies and their diversity habitats and ecology and conservation. They certainly did for me.

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Sonia Altizer: And I think they do that for a lot of people. And you think about the fact that children in the US and Canada, like they learn about monarchs from an early age. They raise them in their homes or in their classrooms to learn about life cycles and geography and nature and the mystery of life. And there's over a dozen children's books written about monarchs.

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Sonia Altizer: And I think they symbolize for many of us the fact that not just monarchs but butterflies in general are great ambassadors for the insect world. They're friendly, they're easy to rear and handle, they're highly visible.

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Sonia Altizer: So they're large, they are active during the day, they're boldly colored, they're elegant fliers, and they have amazing behaviors. And on top of that, they don't sting, bite, stink, or spread diseases. So again, they're just a fascinating group of organisms and a great ambassador for insect conservation. And this slide, again, incidentally, shows some common butterflies in the southeastern U.S.,

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Sonia Altizer: And you should recognize a few of these species. If you are a butterfly enthusiast, you might see the common buckeye, black swallowtail, monarchs, tiger swallowtails, and painted ladies shown here in this slide.

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Sonia Altizer: So people often ask me, like, why do butterflies matter? Like, well, they're not the powerhouse pollinators that bees are. Although they do serve an important role in pollination, and I'll talk about that in a few minutes. But I think there's lots of other reasons why butterflies are important, too. Like, why should we care about butterflies and protecting them?

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Sonia Altizer: And I think one of the first things I like to tell people is that, you know, butterflies are, because they're so highly visible, they have, we have incredible data sets monitoring butterfly abundance and diversity. And they are really important environmental indicators. So they're sensitive to habitat change. We have a lot of data on their abundance and diversity and they can tell us, you know, when things are in trouble and when we need to be concerned when we look at trends over time.

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Sonia Altizer: Another reason why butterflies are important, again, is that they're cultural icons.

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Sonia Altizer: People feel a strong spiritual and emotional attachment to butterflies.

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Sonia Altizer: They symbolize many things for people.

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Sonia Altizer: Rebirth, I've shown here in this slide, the spring azure butterfly.

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Sonia Altizer: which is one of the earliest native butterflies to emerge every spring.

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Sonia Altizer: And, you know, in many places in North America, it's viewed as the ultimate harbinger of spring, symbolizing the end of winter, you know, and the rebirth of new growth in the summer.

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Sonia Altizer: And then again, I think because of that, they are great conservation ambassadors. And in fact, the Xerces Society, which we'll hear a little bit more about later this afternoon, I think really utilizes butterflies as a great tool for inspiring people to care about insects and insect conservation.

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Sonia Altizer: So of all the insect groups, I might mention butterflies are the most extensively monitored in the United States, as well as in Europe and other parts of the world. And I think that's relevant to the Great Southeast Pollinator Census.

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Sonia Altizer: And one of the main reasons that they are so extensively monitored is again because they're active during the day, but more importantly they're large and they're brightly colored. And this slide shows some of the intricate color patterns that we see visible in butterfly wings.

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Sonia Altizer: And some of you might know that butterflies are members of the order Lepidoptera.

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Sonia Altizer: And that translates to, you know, literally translates to scale wing, Lepidoptera.

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Sonia Altizer: And butterfly wing membranes are actually clear or see-through, but layered over top of them on both sides are scales.

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Sonia Altizer: that lie like a roof shingles on top of that wing membrane. And a close up of those scales is shown here in this slide. And these scales are often brightly colored and they serve an important role in signaling to other butterflies. So they signal information, for example, to potential mates.

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Sonia Altizer: about their species identity and their quality.

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Sonia Altizer: They're also important for predator avoidance.

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Sonia Altizer: They can provide camouflage and they can also provide warning coloration to predators.

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Sonia Altizer: And because they can sometimes slough off easily, predators that grab a butterfly by the wings often end up with a mouthful of scales instead of the actual meaty parts of the butterfly.

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Sonia Altizer: These wing scales also provide important roles in thermoregulation.

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Sonia Altizer: So regulating their body temperature and believe it or not in aerodynamics of flight.

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Sonia Altizer: And I want to mention the dust myth briefly. You probably heard from the time you were a child that you shouldn't pick up a butterfly.

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Sonia Altizer: Because you notice that if you hold a butterfly by the wings, you'll get scales on your fingers that look like dust and that that can kill the butterfly.

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Sonia Altizer: That's generally not true. If butterflies are really roughly handled and they lose a lot of scales, that's not great for them. But most butterflies, you know, being handled and losing small numbers of scales, that happens to them, you know, on a routine basis. And it's generally not going to hurt them or kill them.

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Sonia Altizer: One thing that I think is super fascinating about butterflies is their wing pigments. And butterflies have kind of two ways that they make color in their wings. So they can either have what I think of as like paint that's laid just inside the outer part of each scale. So sort of like paint that gives them color, or they can have structural colors.

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Sonia Altizer: And so I'll tell you like so for producing yellow and white parts of the wings, those pigments are called pterins, P-T-E-R-I-N-S. There's another type of pigment called ommochromes that gives butterfly wings, wing scales, red, orange or brown pigment.

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Sonia Altizer: Parts of the wing that are black are produced by melanin pigment.

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Sonia Altizer: But then you might notice some butterflies have shimmering blues, greens, and iridescent tones, and these are generated by physics, not by true pigments.

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Sonia Altizer: And these scale surfaces that are blue, green, and sometimes purple and iridescent feature microscopic ridges shown in the bottom center of this slide.

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Sonia Altizer: that act as kind of diffraction devices for light that bounce and scatter light to project intense and sometimes shifting colors. So you'll notice that butterflies that are blue or green, that that color is iridescent and it changes with the angle of the light, which is super cool.

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Sonia Altizer: So thinking about butterflies in the southeastern United States, we have incredible diversity of butterflies here in the southeast. There are nearly 200 butterfly species that commonly occur or that are found throughout the southeastern United States.

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Sonia Altizer: And so part of that is because we tend to have long growing seasons and warm temperatures that promote multiple generations of butterfly life cycles. And in some places like South Texas and Florida, butterflies can persist there year round. We also have a diversity of habitats. We have, you know, forests, wetlands, prairies, coastal plains.

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Sonia Altizer: that each of which can support a different assemblage of butterfly species.

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Sonia Altizer: And then in each of these habitats, there tends to be a high diversity of both nectar and host plants.

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Sonia Altizer: And you'll hear more about host plants again throughout the presentation today.

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Sonia Altizer: So we have close to 200 butterfly species in the southeastern U.S.

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Sonia Altizer: And then that represents a pretty good fraction of the 700 butterfly species that are found throughout North America.

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Sonia Altizer: And most of those 700 are shown here in this slide, and they are grouped into the

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Sonia Altizer: the most common major butterfly groups. Again, you will probably recognize in the bottom left of this slide, these are the swallowtail butterflies that have, they're really large in size, and they have these long projections on the tips of their hind wings.

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Sonia Altizer: In the top left, these are the skippers. They are almost moth-like because they have chunkier bodies, clubbed antennae, and they tend to be smaller in size and a little bit less brightly colored. Right in the middle, these are the pierids. These are the cabbage butterflies that are yellow, orange, and white.

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Sonia Altizer: Above those are the lycaenids and the riodinids. So these are the blues, the coppers, and the hairstreaks. And then the biggest family of butterflies, both in North America and around the world, are the Nymphalids.

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Sonia Altizer: These are the brush footed butterflies. And these tend to be very brightly colored, very diverse. And some of our most beloved butterflies like the monarchs are members of this family. So we have about 200 species in the southeast, 700 species in North America. And then this is just stepping back for even a bigger picture bird's eye view of butterflies worldwide. Believe it or not, there are almost 20,000

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Sonia Altizer: species of butterflies that have been described to date around the world.

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Sonia Altizer: And so this map just shows global variation and butterfly diversity and how it changes with both latitude and with elevation.

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Sonia Altizer: And so the darkest green and blue sections of this world map have the highest

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Sonia Altizer: number of species of butterflies. And then orange, pink, and white have relatively few species of butterflies. So again, you can kind of see one in the Southeast. Yeah, we have a lot of butterflies here, but the parts of the world that really have the most butterflies are in the tropics. And so Central and South America, Sub-Saharan Africa, and Southeast Asia, and in the Pacific.

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Sonia Altizer: And that's really where global biodiversity of butterflies is the highest.

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Sonia Altizer: And then finally stepping back once more, butterflies again are members of the order Lepidoptera.

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Sonia Altizer: And the vast majority of species in this order are not butterflies, but they are in fact moths.

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Sonia Altizer: And so there are over 150,000 species of Lepidoptera. About 20,000 of those are butterflies and the rest of those are moths. And you know, a common question that people ask is what's the difference between a butterfly and a moth? They both have scales on their wings, big wings, they fly. And so some of the major differences between butterflies and moths are shown here on this slide. So,

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Sonia Altizer: And butterflies tend to have thin antennae with clubs, whereas moths have feathery antennae or thread-like antennae. Butterflies, these are generalizations. There are some exceptions to each of these rules, I will note. But butterflies are generally active during the day. Most moths are more active at dusk and dawn or during the night.

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Sonia Altizer: Butterflies wings are kind of folded above their body when they're at rest, whereas moth wings are sort of lie flat against their body when they're resting. Butterflies are a little bit, you know,

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Sonia Altizer: more slender in body type, whereas moths tend to have chunkier bodies.

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Sonia Altizer: And then, but many, most butterflies tend to be brightly colored.

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Sonia Altizer: Relatively speaking, moths tend to be less brightly colored, although again, there are exceptions with some really incredibly beautifully colored moths.

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Sonia Altizer: But for the presentation today we're really focusing on butterflies, you know, but I want to give a shout out to moths because moths are also very important pollinators for a lot of plants and their diversity, you know, you sort of greatly overshadows the diversity of butterflies worldwide.

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Sonia Altizer: So we come, you know, thinking about, well, what are some of our most common butterfly species here in the southeastern United States? And there's a lot of resources out there. You know, guidebooks, posters, you know, identification guides.

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Sonia Altizer: to butterflies. Again, the most common butterflies, if you're out there looking and you have some experience in identifying species, you'll recognize a lot of the species here in this slide. And I just want to, you know, call out, again, the most important groups of butterflies that we have here in the Southeast in terms of what you're most likely to see. And I'll tell you a little bit about their basic biology.

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Sonia Altizer: So when we think about butterfly diversity, I think just as a starting point, I encourage people to learn the five most common families of butterflies that we would see in this part of the country.

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Sonia Altizer: And really start there. And learn the differences between the major families. And then start learning the characteristics of the common species. And so the five major families are shown in this slide in the top left. We have the swallowtails in the family Papilionidae. And these are some of the largest in terms of wing area. And they have those long tails coming off their hind wings.

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Sonia Altizer: In the center, we have the whites and the sulfurs. These again have white, yellow, pale green, or light orange wings. The family name is called Pieridae. The top right are the gossamer winged butterflies in the family Lycaenidae. And these tend to be some of the smallest.

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Sonia Altizer: in body size and very delicate looking. And they tend to be in three groups. The blues, the coppers, and the hairstreaks. The bottom left are the skippers in the family Hesperiidae. And these are almost moth-like in appearance.

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Sonia Altizer: They're a little bit less brightly colored. They have chunkier bodies and smaller sizes. And they've got little hooks at the end of their antennae. And then in the bottom right are those brush-footed butterflies, the nymphalids, which are some of the most colorful and some of the most diverse species of butterflies that we'll see out in the wild.

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Sonia Altizer: So the top of the slide might be cut off for a few of you, but these are for the audience. But you know, when I think about what are the most common butterflies in the southeastern U.S. that you're likely to see if you're just taking a walk outside in a place that has nectar plants and host plants for the butterflies. And I think it's highly debatable, like what are the eight most common butterfly species, but

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Sonia Altizer: I think for most of us, we're likely to encounter at least one or two of these eight species shown here in this slide throughout the course of the summer months. And so I just have shown here what the adults and the caterpillars look like for these common species and then what the host plants are. So we know as adults, a lot of butterflies rely heavily on nectar.

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Sonia Altizer: They also rely on water and other resources. And then the caterpillars tend to rely, they're herbivorous or phytophagous, so they feed on plant material. And the butterflies are super cool in that they tend to be tightly associated with particular host plant species.

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Sonia Altizer: where they form an intimate association where the adults will seek and lay their eggs on a particular type of plant and the caterpillars will feed. It can sometimes be exclusively on a single species or a larger group of related species of plants.

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Sonia Altizer: And so monarchs in the top left, we've got the bright orange butterflies, the striped caterpillars, and a lot of us know that they feed on milkweeds at the caterpillar stage. Eastern tiger swallowtails are those beautiful bright yellow and black striped butterflies. The caterpillars are green. They're one of the tree feeding butterfly species, so they'll feed on tulip trees, sassafras, and several other tree species as caterpillars.

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Sonia Altizer: Gulf fritillaries are one of the most gorgeous butterflies that we'll see in the southeast and those caterpillars feed on passion vine as at the immature stages and the adults are bright orange colored with silver spots on the underside of their wings.

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Sonia Altizer: The cloudless sulfur is one of the most common pierid butterflies. Brilliant yellow. The caterpillars are a little bit less exciting looking and they will feed on members of Senna or partridge pea.

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Sonia Altizer: Red Admirals, Painted Ladies, Common Buckeyes, are also species that we'll see out in nature. And they feed a little bit more on weedier host plant species, nettles, thistle. The Common Buckeye will lay its eggs on plantain or Plantago, which is a common weed in pastures and lawns. And then in the bottom right, the Zebra Swallowtail, which feeds on

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Sonia Altizer: as caterpillars on pawpaws.

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Sonia Altizer: I mentioned that the swallowtails are some of the largest and most brightly colored butterflies in the southeast.

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Sonia Altizer: And one group that I think is incredibly fascinating is sort of in this mimicry complex.

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Sonia Altizer: swallowtails that have this sort of very similar wing color patterns where there's a sort of variation on a dominant black dorsal side of the wing with some yellow, blue, and red accents.

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Sonia Altizer: And then we have the red spotted purple on the far right, which feeds, which is not a part of the swallowtail family, but its wing color pattern is remarkably similar to that of this swallowtail group.

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Sonia Altizer: And so the spice bush, pipe vine, and black swallowtails feed on plants that are highly aromatic. And they can sequester compounds from these plants that they use as defensive compounds to deter predators or natural enemies.

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Sonia Altizer: So, spicebush, swallowtail feed on spicebush, pipevine swallowtail caterpillars feed on pipevine, and black swallowtail caterpillars feed on parsley, dill, and fennel, you know, all of which have very strong aromatic secondary compounds. And then the red-spotted purple, which is sort of the non-toxic mimic, feeds on, largely on trees at the caterpillar.

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Sonia Altizer: For those of you who are out looking at butterflies during your surveys, again, there's a lot of pocket guides that are helpful.

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Sonia Altizer: But I often find some online guides to be really useful resources.

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Sonia Altizer: And one that I wanted to call out is the website BAMONA, which stands for Butterflies and Moths of North America.

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Sonia Altizer: And so I'd encourage you to go to this website if you haven't visited it before. It's just www.butterfliesandmoths.org. And it has a lot of great resources there for butterfly enthusiasts and folks out monitoring butterflies. One nice resource is that it has a link to the top 20 butterflies of each state.

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Sonia Altizer: or each state and province in the US and Canada. And so you can go out and find like the Alabama top 20, the Georgia top 20, the Florida top 20. I mean, just see like in general, what are the most common butterflies that are reported from each of your respective states. And then it also has a nice guide for identifying adult stages of butterflies as well as identifying caterpillars. So if you have a photograph,

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Sonia Altizer: and you know the date and location where that photograph was taken, you can upload it and get a very highly reliable species ID for the butterflies that you're seeing. So I would highly recommend this resource. And then for a less technical but also very useful resource, one thing, one that I commonly use is the Seek app.

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Sonia Altizer: which is associated with the volunteer participation database iNaturalist.

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Sonia Altizer: And so if you see something, any type of organism, plant, fungus, an insect, a frog, you can take a picture of it, upload it to Seek.

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Sonia Altizer: And I think nine times out of 10, it gives a pretty reliable species identification. Oftentimes, I'll have to double check to make sure that,

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Sonia Altizer: It's accurate, but this is another great resource when you're identifying butterflies again because they're active during the day. They're large in body size. They're pretty easy to photograph and they're brightly colored and they have very characteristic wing markings that tend to be diagnostic to the species level.

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Sonia Altizer: So I want to just give a little bit more background about butterflies before I pause for some questions and talk a little bit about their life cycles, their biology, ecology, and behavior. And one thing I want to note that we often note that butterflies undergo complete metamorphosis like most other pollinators. So they have an egg, a larval, a pupal, and an adult stage.

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Sonia Altizer: But I think unlike a lot of, or unlike many other pollinators, you know, we have this phenomenon where most caterpillars feed on only one or a handful of plant species. And so these common examples that we know, like monarchs feeding on milkweed as caterpillars, tiger swallowtails feeding on poplar. We have,

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Sonia Altizer: Gulf Fritillaries feeding on passion vine. Black Swallowtails feeding on plants in the parsley family. These host plant associations as part of the life cycle is something that's really distinct about butterflies. And I think I have a slide with just a few

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Sonia Altizer: And these are just a few of the associations that you might see in your backyard gardens. So I use for those of us who are lucky enough to have spice bush in our yards. This is a spice bush swallowtail caterpillar with these super cool eye spots to kind of fool predators.

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Sonia Altizer: or to startle predators and kind of warn them away.

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Sonia Altizer: This is a gulf fritillary caterpillar, again, feeding on passion vine.

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Sonia Altizer: I think most of these were taken right around my house in Athens, Georgia.

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Sonia Altizer: These are black swallowtail caterpillars feeding on Queen Anne's lace in the Parsley family.

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Sonia Altizer: So we have these.

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Sonia Altizer: Excuse me. These associations between. Just one second. I'm going to get you water. I'm really sorry about that. I think I can keep going, though. We have these situations where these plants are producing chemicals called secondary compounds that stimulate oviposition and feeding.

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Sonia Altizer: Sorry about that. And some examples are cardiac glycosides are produced by milkweed, which actually stimulates feeding by caterpillars and the caterpillars can sequester these compounds in their bodies and use them to defend themselves against predators.

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Sonia Altizer: So it makes them taste bitter when predators try to eat them. And it also causes heart palpitations in vertebrate animals. I want to call out one really cool aspect of feeding ecology in caterpillars that we see, again, just a second.

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Sonia Altizer: that we see in a group called the lycaenids. So these are the blues and the hairstreaks. And these are ant-associated caterpillars that have an ability to, and they kind of, the caterpillars look slug-like.

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Sonia Altizer: And they have behaviors and organs that they can use to attract ants.

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Sonia Altizer: And the ants can often come in and protect the caterpillars from other predators.

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Sonia Altizer: The ants will get a benefit which is the secretion of a sugary substance.

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Sonia Altizer: from the caterpillars. And in some extreme cases, the caterpillars trick the ants into taking the caterpillars into the ant colony and feeding the caterpillars ant larvae. And so there are actually some carnivorous caterpillars out there.

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Sonia Altizer: that feed on other insects at the larval stage. In this family of butterflies, which is one of the most cool and fascinating examples of coevolution, I think, that exists in nature, are these associations between caterpillars in the family Lycaenidae and ants.

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Sonia Altizer: Okay, and then as adults, butterflies tend to feed heavily on nectar. And I think that's something that you'll hear a little bit more about later today. All right, you guys, I think I'm going to wrap up in just a minute. So we can shift over to Jeremy and I'm really sorry about, I got something caught in my throat.

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Sonia Altizer: But we often think about butterflies as like kind of being less important.

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Sonia Altizer: Okay, I'm going to stop. Let's switch over to Jeremy and then maybe I can take questions later on. Sorry about that.

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Becky Griffin: Oh, that's fine. We've all been there. I mean, it's for sure. So what we'll do is we have some questions coming in, but we're going to wait till the end and we're going to kind of move along and let Sonia get some water. All right.

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Becky Griffin: So our second presenter is Jeremy Rhoden. Not only is he an amazing horticultural agent, he is also the Florida State Coordinator for the Great Southeast Pollinator Census. He is the Master Gardener Volunteer Coordinator for UF/IFAS Extension in Marion County, Florida.

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Becky Griffin: And he knows a whole lot about butterflies. I was able to travel with him to the UK to do some work and he is definitely your go-to person for identifying butterflies for the census. So, Jeremy, I'm going to turn it over to you. The floor is yours.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Awesome. Thank you Becky and thank you Sonia for getting us started. I'm gonna just forewarn everyone in here. Becky set the bar really high for me. So I do love butterflies and a lot of my experience with butterflies has been from

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Jeremy Rhoden: Just doing pollinator gardens in my own yard growing up. And then also with just throughout my career and my education and landscape pest and pollinator management. And also just being a master gardener coordinator with my awesome master gardeners, which I know some of you are on here. We have a great team who's really into pollinators. And so that has allowed me to get more into the butterfly side of things, too, as well as our bees. So but today I'm going to go ahead and share my screen and let's.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Let's see.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And I am gonna put it in presentation mode.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Is that showing up, Becky?

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Jeremy Rhoden: Okay, awesome.

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Jeremy Rhoden: I don't see the green box around the screen. So it's throwing me off a little bit.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right. So, just to kind of tag along with what Sonia was talking about in terms of butterflies, we do have a great diversity of butterflies across the Southeast and across the U.S. for where we're located. And so we're going to just talk about how to

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Jeremy Rhoden: and promote butterflies in our landscape. And a lot of you know this already. We all know if we plant flowers, we likely will get butterflies in the yard. But that's just one small part of attracting butterflies and really promoting a pollinator habitat for butterflies. So we're going to talk about four essential resources that butterflies need in a habitat. And that includes our host plants, nectar plants, shelter and overwintering habitat, and also water and mineral resources.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But before we get too much into that, I know some of you have probably heard of this before, probably even in previous webinars on here, but I want everyone to kind of take a step back and understand that all insects worldwide fall into one of two categories, and that can be either a generalist or a specialist insect. And some are either a generalist or specialist for their entire lifetime, or they might just be a generalist or a specialist during a certain time frame of their life.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So just to kind of go over the difference between these two groups of insects, I have this chart here that I found online, but it kind of summarizes this pretty, pretty great for these two groups. So in this case, with the generalist insect here, it gives the example of a brown marmorated stink bug. And you can see in terms of its diet, it's pretty wide, it can feed on multiple different plant families.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Whereas with our specialist insects, for example, the monarch butterfly, it has a very narrow diet. As a caterpillar, it can only feed on one species or genus, and we know that as the milkweed for monarchs. With generalist insects, finding host plants is very fast for them because generally they can feed on a variety of plant tissue or plant foliage.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So that's generally not a problem. However, with specialist insects, this can be very slow. It determine or they have to use chemical cues to be able to find certain plants in the environment that they need to either lay their eggs on or to feed from. In terms of toxic tolerance, generalist insects have a moderate detoxification system. It's also pretty broad. So,

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Jeremy Rhoden: They're not as great as our specialist insects, which have highly specialized mechanisms to neutralize those toxins. So butterflies, again, going back to monarchs and viceroys, those are a couple examples of butterflies that are actually toxic butterflies. It's toxic for birds and lizards and things of that nature to feed on them because of the toxins that they consume from the plant material they eat. But it's because they have those highly specialized detoxification systems.

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Jeremy Rhoden: In terms of predator defense, generalist insects rely on camouflage, flight or broad chemical deterrents. So you think about stink bugs, for example, or and you know, just how they blend into either tree crevices or into the foliage. Whereas a lot of our specialist insects, they have bright coloration. And oftentimes this is because they have those toxins in their body.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So if you think about butterflies in general, especially going back to the monarch example, they fly around during the daytime where they can easily be seen with their beautiful colors by other predators, but yet they don't often have to worry about that because predators know that they are actually a toxic species. Now, this doesn't mean there's not predators that eat them. There are some predators that have evolved to be able to still eat those type of insects. So just keep that in mind as well.

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Jeremy Rhoden: With extinction risk, for generalist insects, it's pretty low because they have plenty of options to feed from. So they don't have to worry about that. They also blend in very easily, you know, but they are still competing with a lot of others. With specialist insects,

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Jeremy Rhoden: their extinction risk is very high because they are so dependent on those species of plant foliage that they have evolved with over time. And as urbanization increases and loss of habitat increases, we are seeing a decline in specialist insects, a lot of our pollinators over time.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And then finally, with competition, with generalists, they face high competition because they're generally in large numbers. Lots of generalist species, they compete with one another. But with our specialist insects, generally they have lower competition because they have their specific host plant they've evolved with.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So that's just to kind of give you a quick overview of generalist versus specialist insects. Now why that's important because in the southeast United States, which is where we're all from on here today, we have nearly 30 to 40,000 native insect species in our part of the country.

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Jeremy Rhoden: and entomologists estimate that roughly 90% of those plant feeding insects are specialists. And when we say plant feeding insects, we're talking all pollinators. So that includes all of our lepidopteran species, our butterflies and moths, as well as our hymenopterans like our bees, our bees.

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Jeremy Rhoden: wasps, things of that nature, all of our pollinators. So those are plant feeding insects. So if you think about that, if 90% of those insects are specialist, meaning that they are depending on specific host plants and those host plants are declining big time because of loss of land or loss of habitat, urbanization, pesticides, whatever it might be, you can see where there's a high extinction risk for our pollinators because they almost all fall into that specialist category.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So this kind of brings us to the first of those four things we mentioned that is important for pollinator or butterfly habitat. First one being host plants. So as I mentioned, most of them are specialists, so they depend on a specific plant species or genus that will provide the essential food and shelter required for insects to complete their lifecycle.

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Jeremy Rhoden: In the case of monarchs, as I mentioned before, and I have here as an example, only as their immature stage or larval stage are they specialists. They depend on milkweed as a caterpillar, excuse me.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But also as an adult when they're looking to lay eggs or oviposition they're looking for that milkweed as well. But in terms of feeding as an adult they're more of a generalist. They can go from any flower that they can find nectar on and feed from those. So you can see that's a great example there of an insect species that is not a specialist necessarily for their entire life. But when it comes to their larval stage as well as alva position they are a specialist.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So some other things about host plants. If you are a part of any type of gardening group on social media accounts, I always talk about this in all of my pollinator trainings. You can literally sit there and see people who are trying to do good for pollinators. They want to attract butterflies for their garden. So they go to the store and they buy something like tropical milkweed.

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Jeremy Rhoden: or pipe vine or something of that nature to plant in their landscape to get butterflies there. But they're not expecting or they're not prepared to see the foliage eaten by the caterpillars. And it's funny because almost all of us have learned all the way back in elementary school, the whole stages. And Sonia was just reminding us about the whole four part life cycle of butterflies.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so we know that at some point in time they are a caterpillar and they have to develop into a pupa stage to basically evolve into a butterfly or a moth for that matter. And so they have to be able to have foliage to feed from. But you can watch people on these gardening groups post, you know, something is eating all of my milkweed and I don't know what it is. You know, I planted this for the butterflies and now it's just being...

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Jeremy Rhoden: consumed by these worms that I don't know what they are. I've tried spraying it and treating it and they just keep coming back and it's just one of those things where it's like, oh no, don't do that. And so understanding that when you plant a

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Jeremy Rhoden: plants that are host plants for these butterflies you're going to have feeding occur and that's what you want if you want butterflies you want feeding to occur but many of these plants have evolved over time to withstand foliar damage in fact many of them can go up to upwards of 90 90 to 95 percent of defoliation and still recover from that and come back i have milkweed that does come down to the ground every year and comes back

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Jeremy Rhoden: and our native milkweeds in Florida and they do really well. You get some every once in a while that don't. You just have to replant but that's part of it. The butterflies are still happy. Be mindful about clutch sizes and by that I mean like when butterflies lay eggs the amount they lay at one time and in one place that's considered clutch sizes. They can be different depending on the butterfly's feed.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So I keep bringing up monarchs because we're very well familiar with those. Monarchs tend to go to this leaf and lay an egg and then they go over to this leaf and lay an egg and they might go over this leaf and lay an egg. Whereas the pipe vine caterpillar here that you're seeing on the left, they tend to come up to this pipe vine here that I have growing in my yard and they will lay about 50 eggs at one time all in one cluster.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so you might not ever realize them and then one day you come out and you just look like your pipe vine bush is completely covered in these caterpillars. And it's because they have a larger clutch size than what we see in monarchs. And likewise you can see that in other butterfly species as well. Something else to note is that trees tend to host the most. This was a common saying I've heard repeatedly and if you're not familiar with it I remember

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Jeremy Rhoden: Way back when I first started getting into more of the pollinator gardening, my whole front yard was completely shaded by oak trees. But my whole backyard, I had flowers everywhere and I had butterflies everywhere, but I didn't see those in the front yard. And so whenever I became a registered monarch way station, I was like, oh, why am I going to put this in my front yard for my neighbors to see when they see I have nothing in bloom in the front yard?

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Jeremy Rhoden: And you know I had to really step back and think about well I have these trees here and when you look up live oaks or just oaks in general they are actually in Florida alone I know I can't speak for all the other states but I know in Florida they are a host plant over 330 lepidopteran species and that's just in Florida alone and they're native many of our oak trees are native across Florida.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So don't think that just because you have a shaded yard with oak trees or maple trees or whatnot that you can't have a pollinator habitat because little did I know that my front yard which was completely shaded with four live oaks was actually doing more good than the backyard that's planted with a whole bunch of flowers. So just keep that in mind as well and remember that trees tend to host the most.

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Jeremy Rhoden: The last thing on this slide I want to show you is that on the Xerces Society website many of you may be familiar with this already. Let me pull it up for y'all. It's not coming over. There we go. When you go to this website here there is a spot on Xerces Society where you can put in your state.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And once you do, and you search, so I'm gonna just choose Florida here just 'cause that's where we're from. It has a really great document that you can download and it shows you a whole bunch of native plants that are good for Florida, or obviously they're native, but are good for pollinators, excuse me, with their common name, it tells their bloom time, and we'll talk about why this is important here in a second.

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Jeremy Rhoden: It talks everything from the life stages where it helps with the butterflies. The form of flowers they have. How much sun they need. The type of soil. And then it also has these additional details here. And you can kind of see there's a little caterpillar on here that tells if it's a larval host plant. If it's good for bees, butterflies,

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Jeremy Rhoden: if it's a great pollinator plant, if it's good to be around pets. So it's a very great resource and there's a whole bunch of information on here and again you can search for that by state. And this is just one of many resources that Xerces Society has. I would highly recommend searching their website. They have a lot of great resources on there.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right, and so I wasn't sure the website was going to work, so I had that here as an example. All right, so that was about host plants. So now let's talk about nectar plants, which is the second thing you need to have in your habitat. So nectar is a sugary substance created by plants to promote pollination services, and that is all that it is for.

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Jeremy Rhoden: It serves no other purpose in the plant and it actually takes a lot of energy for plants to create nectar. Some of you may have heard of the famous Darwin orchid that was found in Madagascar by Charles Darwin and he famously hypothesized that that flower was it could only be pollinated by some type of insect with a really long mouth part.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so it's really cool that flower and the moth evolved together over time. And because it takes so much energy for that plant to create the nectar, it made it to where not just any bug or insect could fly to the flower to get that nectar. It requires a special relationship.

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Jeremy Rhoden: with that moth to be able to make that happen. Florida has a similar orchid called the ghost orchid. It's not quite as long of nectaries as your Darwin orchid, but it is a similar thing that we have down in the Everglades. It's a pretty neat flower. So something to think about in terms of the nectar plants is, remember butterflies as as

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Jeremy Rhoden: Larvae or larval individuals have chewing mouth parts. Whereas when they are adults, their mouth parts change completely and they now have a siphoning straw like mouth part. So we often hear about people calling caterpillars worms or things like that and they think of them as pests because they see damage to their plants by these individuals. But then when they see them as butterflies and moths flying around, you know, they're all happy that they have pollinators in their yard.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So we got to remember that they are all still the same species. They all have. They are all beneficial, you know, as a caterpillar versus an adult as well. It's just their life cycle. And we got to be able to support that all the way through. So in the adult stage, they are looking for those nectar plants.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so again, adult butterflies tend to be more generalist in their adult stage. And so we want to make sure that we are able to provide to them during that time. So butterflies prefer plants with a landing pad. This doesn't necessarily have to be like the cone flowers we saw in the previous example, which has a really

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Jeremy Rhoden: well-defined landing pad, but it can also be a cluster of flowers or inflorescence like this umbel lantana flower you see here that the butterfly is sitting on top of. As long as they have something they can sit on and station themselves, they're able to feed, and that's very helpful for them. Now, there'll be exceptions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen zebra longwings feeding on firebush, which are not always in clusters like this, but generally speaking, they like to have landing pads.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Butterflies are highly attracted to reds, pinks, and purple. This is kind of opposite of bees which cannot see the color red. They only see a color gray with that, but butterflies are highly attracted to that red color. But again, they will come to all sorts of flowers. If they find it's a nectar source, they will continue to come to it, but red is something that's going to really attract them.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Butterflies also generally have longer tongues than bees. So they can get to long tubular flowers oftentimes. And when you think about choosing plants for the landscape that are nectar plants, think about choosing those with various shapes and colors, including long narrow flower tubes and those with landing pads.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So if you're looking at this really quick, there's a couple examples we have. And sorry for the blurry picture on the right, but we have coral honeysuckle and also coneflower on the left. If you were to take a guess, I kind of already gave it away in the last slide, but which one would be the best option for butterflies? Obviously the one on the left with the landing pad there. Now, again, that doesn't mean you will not see butterflies feed on the coral honeysuckle. You're just likely going to see them more often at a plant with your landing pad.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right, so the other thing I'll mention about plants in the landscape when you're thinking about host and native plants, most of your host plants are going to be native, but that's not always the case. There are non-native plant species out there that you can buy, but try your best to aim for native and that's not always the case.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Just think about trying to aim for 75% or more of your landscape being native. Try to aim for making it the dominant species in your landscape. You're going to find some non-natives that you really love and you're going to find pollinators love them and that's okay as long as they're not invasive. Avoid invasives altogether.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But still try to aim for 75% or more. That's kind of what we promote here in Florida with UF. Just because we're trying to make the native species the dominant species again. If you look at the common landscape, we know that is not always the case. But there's a lot of beauty in our native species. And not only beauty in the sense of what they look like, but also the biodiversity that they attract to our landscapes.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Native pollinators do require specific nutrients and pollen from specific plants. If you've ever had the opportunity to look at pollen under a microscope or even look up websites where you can see the pollen granules under microscopes, they're each very unique. And so there are some pollinator species, including butterflies,

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Jeremy Rhoden: that feed on pollen. We know that bees feed on pollen and nectar, whereas most butterflies only feed on nectar. But there are exceptions to this. An example is our statewide butterfly in Florida, the zebra longwing. It actually feeds on both nectar and pollen. And because of that, it actually can live longer than many butterfly species for that reason. So just something to think about. And then also native plants provide shelter and overwintering resources for species that have adapted with it.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right, also with natives, when you're thinking about purchasing natives, often this can be difficult. So trying to find native plant nurseries, if you know of any around, one thing that I've heard and I would echo this is if you can try to visit that nursery at least once per season and just take note of what you see that's in bloom. Look at the different floral shapes, color sizes,

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Jeremy Rhoden: and just note those things down. See if they have a place in your landscape. If they do well in your soil and your lighting conditions and see how you can integrate them in the landscape. You know, if you're like me, it's probably not a good idea to go to the nursery without a plan because then you fill your entire car full of new plants. You've got a plant over the weekend, even when you're out of space. So maybe just take some notes when you go in.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right, the next part of your habitat is thinking about shelter and overwintering habitat. So obviously with this you want to think about weather conditions like rain, wind, cold and heat. You know, you'll see butterflies puddling. We'll talk a little bit about that in a second. But

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Jeremy Rhoden: So moisture is good. Having some water is good. But also rain droplets can be detrimental on butterflies. So having foliage with large leaves or places to get under. We like to promote saw palmettos or just palm trees in general in Florida because when they flower they actually are a pollinator magnet. Even though a lot of folks don't think of palms as being a pollinator plant, it's actually a pretty phenomenal pollinator plant and they provide great shelter foliage for pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: The more you try to interfere with that, and I have been there, and so I totally understand if you have been one of those people swatting away at the predatory wasp because they're flying around your monarch caterpillars. I totally understand the feeling of that.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But at some point I had to learn that you have to promote the full circle of life. If you can't just put have a high increase on butterflies and not expect to have their natural predators come as well. And those predators are also pollinators in many cases. So you have to be prepared for that. Think about roosting and resting areas. You'll see butterflies rest on rocks or large rocks or crevices of things.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Consider planting in layers from ground covers all the way to trees. So have some shrubs in there, low plants, bedding plants, ground covers, and just have those layers within the landscape. That really helps not only in terms of them having resting and roosting places, but also for them having shelter and also protection from the cold.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Grasses are another thing that people often don't think about. There's many ornamental grasses, even native ornamental grasses that are host plants to different butterfly species. So those can be something very different in the landscape with a different texture and a different feel and a different look altogether that can make your landscape give something beautiful in the landscape and also still be a part of your pollinator habitat.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And finally, you may have heard the saying before, leave the leaves. Leaves are habitat for many lepidopteran species. They will basically put their cocoon or chrysalis into leaves. So leaving the leaves is a great thing. You can use it as a mulch around your shrubs or throughout the landscape. But if you can leave the leaves and you have that ability, I highly encourage you to do so.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right, and then finally the last of the four things is water and mineral resources. So you want to be able to leave natural soil exposed to moisture because butterflies do a practice called puddling where they'll actually feed from and get moisture from those wet spots and they are not only pulling up water but they're also pulling up nutrients from the soil that they depend on. You can periodically add organic compost or well composted cow manure to areas like this and that will also help

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Jeremy Rhoden: provide them with some extra nutrients. This also provides amino acids and organic compounds to butterflies which they heavily rely on in order to have the energy they need to continue flying looking for food. Some other things you can do in the garden just as a DIY do-it-yourself. You can always get like these saucers, these

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Jeremy Rhoden: Fruit Plates are another idea. I see this a lot and oftentimes in like butterfly exhibits or rainforests. We have one up at UF and Gainesville at the University of Florida and they have these little fruit plates all over the place and they are a great way of providing extra minerals temporarily to butterflies.

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Jeremy Rhoden: A. Long-term applications, obviously you don't want to just leave things out there to ferment too long or you don't want to just leave a pollinator bath like this out without cleaning it on a regular basis. Maintenance is key with that. You've got to keep it clean so you're not promoting disease within your butterflies. If you're like me,

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Jeremy Rhoden: I don't always think about that or have the time to do that. So what I instead try to do is create natural water areas and natural fruiting areas where they can get their nutrients. So planting native fruit trees such as native figs or persimmons, blackberries, things like that, and allowing those things to fruit and fall off the plants where they will ripen on the ground.

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Jeremy Rhoden: They will find those and they will feed from them. So it's something you can do. I just saw the comment. Yes, I totally understand the whole problem with squirrels. It is the story of my life. They ruin everything in my yard. But again, it's because I'm promoting the natural ecosystem and that whole circle of life. And because of that, they just keep coming. Though I think they're overabundant. So I got to figure something out with that.

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Jeremy Rhoden: All right, so just some other things to think about. Threats and conservation challenges with butterflies. You know, we're all here today because we enjoy pollinators, but particularly butterflies, and we're trying to attract them and trying to protect them. So we are very familiar with many of these things. So we know there's a lot of habitat loss and fragmentation going on, pests and disease, pesticide exposure, whether that's from us, our neighbors, or mosquito spraying around the neighborhood.

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Jeremy Rhoden: You know there's certain things that are out of our control, but we still have a voice and we can still advocate about certain things. We know there's climate change that's happening again out of our control, but we can do something. And then, of course, the constant battle with invasive species. And, you know, I had a client talk to me recently about a mimosa tree. And for those who aren't familiar with it, it's like a...

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Jeremy Rhoden: It's a pink silk flower. Very beautiful tree. Originates from China. And it's just a great tree in the sense of that it's beautiful. Pollinators love it. Hummingbirds love it. You'll see tons and tons of pollinators on it the entire time it is in bloom.

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Jeremy Rhoden: and you'll get tons of hummingbirds from it. And so people immediately think, well, you know, if pollinators are in danger, you know, or if they're, you know, at risk for extinction, because there's just not enough food for them, and we have this tree that's in bloom, and they're all coming to this tree, you know, why should we remove this tree? Why should we get rid of this tree? Well, the truth is, they do love that tree, and you will see pollinators all over it, and you will see hummingbirds all over it, and you will see this great tree in bloom that is highly attractive to these pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But what happens is it produces so much nectar and has so much favoritism by these pollinators, especially in their adult stage where they are generalists, that they continuously go to this tree for pollination services instead of going to native plantings for pollination services.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And we're already in such a decline in native plant material for specialist insect. What happens is those native plants are not pollinated. Oftentimes they're in the understory of where those big trees are growing. And so what happens is we see that plant population decline more and more and more where that non-native tree or non-native plant increases.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So whether the plant is considered invasive or simply non-native, that's why we aim for that 75% all-native, because we want native to become the dominant species. Not because we can't enjoy a non-native beautiful plant, but because we want to be able to make sure that what we have the majority of is what our specialists need.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so just something to think about when it does come to invasive species and non-native species. Nobody is telling you you can't have a crepe myrtle tree or you can't have those beautiful non-native plants. Just one, you want to make sure it's not invasive or have danger of becoming invasive. And you also need to make sure that it needs to be able to have its place without taking the place of all of those native plants that are specialists depend on.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So, some other things just to bring up, you know, a recent study by Xerces Society showed that 22% of the U.S. butterfly species disappeared between 2000 and 2020, so within 20 years. And that average decline was 1.3% annually. So that's pretty crazy when you think about that, you know, almost a quarter of our butterfly population in the U.S. has disappeared just in those 20 years.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so there's a lot that we should be and can be doing to help promote those populations. But we also see research studies like these three here, and these are just a three of many that actually indicate micro habitats or micro fragments of habitat significantly benefit pollinator sustainability and diversity.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And in fact, many of these studies, or at least several that I have read, actually show that not only has it sustained pollinator populations having those microhabitats, so whether that's, you know, little individual backyards here and there creating a pollinator corridor, but it also indicates that there has been higher diversity of pollinator species in these microhabitats.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So we can't think about like, you know, all I have is a third floor balcony, you know, of my apartment building to help promote pollinators. There's nothing I can do. We can't think with that logic. We have to actually think every square inch, every square foot matters to these pollinators. And I always talk about it with the bees and Sonia may know this. There may be a butterfly species out there, but there are some species of pollinators that do not travel more than about 25 to 50 square feet in their entire life. So if all you have is that balcony, you know,

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Jeremy Rhoden: to give to them and you plant five potted plants there, your balcony could be their entire world of food. And so thinking about that logic, I really hope that it encourages you to think that no matter how small of a space you have or whatever limitations you have in your neighborhood, you still have the ability to do something for pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So just keep that in mind. While we have limited control of the threats, we know there's certain things we can't control and there's some things we cannot, there's still great opportunity for conservation and sustainability starting with education, advocacy, and behavior changes. So we do a big pollinator ambassador Academy here in Florida and the whole purpose of that is to

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Jeremy Rhoden: to raise individuals or to create individuals who have already gotten past, you know, understanding that pollinators are vital and important and they're now ready to speak up for pollinators with their local communities, local leaders, local governments. And so that is something that we are really trying to promote individuals to do, not just planting a sustainable pollinator habitat, but speaking up for pollinators as well.

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Jeremy Rhoden: A couple other things I wanted to bring up with threats and conservation challenges. Current research does advise against raising and releasing captive butterflies as it unintentionally harms wild populations. I'm just going to tell you up front, this is a picture of monarchs that I raise with my kids at home.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And this was a few years ago. We have a really large garden festival here with my master gardeners every year called the Spring Festival. And for years we had a butterfly walk through tent. And it was a major highlight of our festival. And when I mentioned that the current research is showing

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Jeremy Rhoden: that, you know, this is not good for pollinators' sustainability, and that we really shouldn't be releasing them. Because that was part of the practice. We wouldn't just have them there for the show, but we were using native painted ladies that were raised in a lab, and then we were releasing them. And we learned that that's not really good. They have a much higher susceptible rate of developing pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so I would just really encourage you, like I know a lot of folks do this to protect those butterflies from getting eaten by those predatory wasps or lizards, things like that. But I would just really encourage you to start thinking about that and do your own research. Don't let me make that decision for you. Do your own research on it.

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Jeremy Rhoden: and you know, make your decision based on education and what you find in that.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So going back to creating butterfly landscape, just some tips at the end here. Plant native species include host plants, provide continuous blooms year round. Think about every season having something in bloom with every color, every flower shape that will promote it not only for butterflies, but your other pollinators as well.

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Jeremy Rhoden: reduce or eliminate insecticide use if you can get rid of it all together.

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Jeremy Rhoden: That's great. I understand that's not always possible for everyone depending on what you're doing or where you're at, but trying to reduce it would be at least the best you can do.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Leave some messy or natural habitat. If you're not in a strict HOA or homeowners association that has a problem with that, you know, leave some areas that are natural and just let it do its thing and see what wild things pop up that might be native.

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Jeremy Rhoden: You know, do your research, make sure they're not anything invasive that's popping up, but just kind of maintain that and look for those things. And then again, create and layers, providing different scales. So your trees, your large shrubs, medium shrubs, bedding plants and ground covers.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So just some last tips here. Get to know your butterflies and their host plants. Know what when you see a caterpillar, you know, look at those guides and see what you have. There's a lot of features on phones like Seek that Sonia mentioned earlier. That is a great app that you can use to help identify those things. iNaturalist, even Google Lens and Apple have done really well at getting better with their services built into their phone, identifying those insects and caterpillars.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Remember that host plants have evolved with butterflies to be resilient to foliar feeding. So you're going to see foliar loss and that's expected. They will bounce back most of the time. So just keep that in mind. Know when to expect them throughout the year. Promote your balance ecosystem and prepare yourself. Again, I can't stress this enough. Prepare yourself for the circle of life.

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Jeremy Rhoden: The more butterflies you have, the more predators you're going to have. Birds, lizards, the whole nine yards. This is not a bad thing. This means that you are increasing biodiversity. And so for the first time this year, I've lived in my house for 10 years, and I am always jealous of my coworker who lives about 45 minutes away from me because she has our native green tree frogs.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And I've been trying to get rid of those and promote my balanced ecosystem and this is the first year I just saw for the for the past two weeks I've seen on two different instances now the native green tree frogs in my yard and it has been like the highlight of everything because I'm not even I'm more or less promoting the pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But what I'm finding is that balanced ecosystem is what I'm hoping and believing to be coming back to where I'm at and I'm seeing those. So it's been really cool for me. So I hope you get to experience that similar, but you got to be okay with the entire ecosystem doing its thing in your landscape. So just something to think about.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And finally, the last thing, you know, obviously you all are here, which is great. You're obviously involved in pollinators. You want to be involved in pollinators. I hope you're all planning on participating in the Great Southeast Pollinator Census this August. It's going to be great. I know many of you have. I can already see some of the names in the chat. I recognize you, whether you're a master gardener or a pollinator ambassador or part of, you know, the Southeast in some way. I do hope that you're all planning on that. The counting matters for this because we are monitoring population trends with pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And not only that, but I can't tell you the amount of data that we have coming in that shows people are not only making behavior changes, but they're also thinking twice about what they're doing in their landscape. And is it promoting pollinator conservation or should they make a different practice altogether?

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so what you are doing and when you go out and you tell others about the pollinator census and about pollinators and spread the word about their conservation, you are making major differences along the way. I mean, starting in Georgia with Becky, starting this back in 2019 with, you know, about 5,000 people participating to last year being closer to 25 to 30,000 people just in a matter of a few years.

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Jeremy Rhoden: The demand is here. The interest is here in pollinator conservation. It's just getting people looped in and letting them know about there is an active movement towards this. So I appreciate y'all being here. Continue to think about those things of how you can promote the census and promote pollinator conservation. Practice your observation skills between now and August and every day. I mean, keep going out and exploring your garden. See what's out there. Learn to distinguish your butterflies from moths.

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Jeremy Rhoden: which Sonia gave us some great tips on that with learning about how to tell the difference between those groups. Know your major butterfly groups and then record your observations accurately using an ID app for help. And again, we went over some of those today as well.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so with that, just to kind of wrap up before we get into the questions, we do have great butterfly diversity in the Southeast United States. So there's a lot to see out there, a lot to discover. Butterflies have fascinating behaviors and complex lifestyles. We know that hosts and nectar plants are just as important. And even though butterflies

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Jeremy Rhoden: aren't always considered the best pollinator. They do still provide a lot of pollination services and they are very important for biodiversity and the whole ecosystem as a whole. And everyone can help conserve butterflies and pollinators through habitat creation, restoration, and of course citizen science like the Southeast Pollinator Census.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And so with that, I will stop talking and pass it over to Becky.

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Becky Griffin: Boy, Jeremy, that was great. You guys did a wonderful job. I took copious notes myself. So that is fantastic. Jeremy, the first thing that I want to mention to you is that we've had a request for you to either give a website or some information on how those in Florida can become a pollinator ambassador.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Yeah, so that's a great question. So unfortunately, we don't have a landing page yet. It's in the works and we're hoping to get there. But I would say the best thing to do is to email me directly. Right now, I am the sole leader of that, but we're trying to get it across the state of Florida. We have several districts that are interested in leading one.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But if you email me, I do have an active ongoing interest list of individuals who are interested in that course. And as we get closer to that time, I will email all of you first to let you know when registration opens.

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Jeremy Rhoden: So you have first opportunity to sign up for the course.

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Becky Griffin: Excellent. And if you're in Georgia and you're interested in something like that, we have a similar program called the Pollinator Stewards.

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Becky Griffin: And the pollinator stewards are run out of each individual extension office. So if you're interested in becoming a pollinator steward in Georgia, contact your local extension agent and mention that to them and they have access to that program as well. So lots of cool things going on. Okay, let's get into some of these questions.

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Becky Griffin: We have some good ones here. One of the questions we've gotten a couple times is where are the pollen? Where are the butterflies? People are not seeing as many as they have in the past. Do we have an answer for that or is it just one of those things?

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Sonia Altizer: Yes.

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Sonia Altizer: And thank you again for everybody for your patience.

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Sonia Altizer: We've all been there.

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Becky Griffin: Absolutely.

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Sonia Altizer: I'm going to, I could blame an insect for getting into my throat, but I don't think

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Sonia Altizer: But I so one one answer that question is that there there are there is growing evidence that butterflies and other insect populations are declining. But it's not even evenly distributed across geographic areas or taxonomic groups. But because, as we noted, the butterflies are so extensively monitored and have been the focus of a lot of volunteer based monitoring programs.

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Sonia Altizer: Over the past several decades, you know, when looking at data across these programs, it does appear that there are declines in overall butterfly abundance during the past 20 to 30 years, especially in Europe and North America. And so just to cite, you know, a study that was published last year by a big collaborative group of butterfly experts showed that

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Sonia Altizer: And in fact, that for every five, what was the figure, for every five butterflies that we saw 20 years ago, only four remain today.

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Sonia Altizer: in North America. And they found that that was not evenly distributed across all butterflies. So there were some butterfly species that showed sharp declines. There were a smaller number of butterfly species that have actually increased over the past 20 years. But there were about, there were over 10 times as many butterfly species that were declining.

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Sonia Altizer: as there were butterfly species that were increasing. So I think the general observation that people are noting that, gosh, I don't see as many butterflies now as maybe I did 20 or 30 years ago, I think that's real. And that's generally true. And I think Jeremy talked nicely about some of the reasons why we think that's happening. Although we should just note that that's not the case for every butterfly species and that's not the case in every part of the world.

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Becky Griffin: Jeremy, do you mind unsharing your screen? Thank you. Okay, so another question, can you all address monarch migration? It seems sends some to Mexico and some to South Florida. Do we know why that is?

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Jeremy Rhoden: Since you're in Florida, Jeremy, do you want to start? Yeah, I will try to answer some of that. And Sonia, please jump in because this is going to be right up your wheelhouse. But so we do have a native population of monarchs that do not migrate that live in South Florida. And so we have some.

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Jeremy Rhoden: I was just talking with Sonia about this yesterday. Xerces Society just released a article, I think it was this past month, May, talking about that Florida monarchs may play a key role in migration, not just...

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Jeremy Rhoden: down to Mexico, but also migrating up north. And so I didn't get a chance to read the article like I told Sonia I would. But I just skimmed it briefly. But yes, so we do have some here that do not migrate whatsoever. We have some that have been found thanks to some of these radio tracking reports.

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Jeremy Rhoden: chips that they are able to put on their abdomen that have been going from Florida, especially the younger ones, from South Florida all the way up to like Valdosta and traveling over 100 miles to get up there. And so that's been pretty interesting. But they have developed, I did read a little bit in this article, that they've developed new chips that they are able to put on their abdomen.

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Jeremy Rhoden: these butterflies for tracking and that they're finding that a lot of the older monarchs are staying in one place and not really doing any type of migration. Whereas the younger monarchs that have just likely, what's the word I'm looking for, gone into their adult stage that spring are actually making that migration and they're going up as north to Valdosta and then making their way back down. So,

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Sonia Altizer: especially in the southern Atlantic coast and the Gulf Coast, we have monarchs that breed year-round and don't migrate. We have monarchs that do what's called coastal overwintering, where they spend the winter in a non-breeding state in the southern United States. And then we have migrants passing through these areas in the spring and fall.

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Sonia Altizer: And so I think that you know we know that there's there's the future's going to be different than what we're seeing today. It's already different than what we saw yesterday. And so I think predicting what the new normal is, is going to be really important. I think the Southeast is going to play an important role in that and we should really try to understand that

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Sonia Altizer: that monarchs have been in southern Florida for a long time, for as long as people have been studying them in a resident state, that some of those monarchs are genetically distinct from the monarchs that migrate, that there are more and more monarchs that are spending the winter.

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Sonia Altizer: in the southern United States and that could play an important role in the future of monarch conservation.

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Sonia Altizer: And I love that Jeremy also mentioned those new Bluetooth, those solar powered Bluetooth tags that actually can communicate with a cell phone app.

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Sonia Altizer: that people can download and detect a monarch if it's within like 100 or 200 meters of them with a tag on. And these tags are generating hundreds, sometimes thousands of hits that allow researchers to track monarchs along, you know, for many months along their entire migratory routes or in some cases when they're not migrating. And that's going to, I think, give us some really important answers to that question.

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Becky Griffin: I love that app. I have it on my phone and I get great joy at a tracking monarchs on my phone. So I will put a link to that app in our at the show notes when we post the recordings. We also have a comment I wanted to mention. Alabama also has a pollinator partners program.

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Becky Griffin: So if you are in Alabama and interested, contact your local Extension office as well. Thank you, Edward, for that one. Jeremy, I cannot look it up right now. So do you mind putting your email in the chat? Several people are asking for it. All right, Sonia, this one, I think you would be a good one to talk to about this.

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Becky Griffin: We talked about, Jeremy did a good job talking about should we be raising monarchs at home and then releasing them thinking that we're doing good when we're really not. What about, Cheryl Webster had a good point. Can she capture caterpillars from her own garden, grow them in a butterfly happy home to release back into her yard? Her grandson loves watching this.

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Sonia Altizer: That's a great question. And my approach to this is to say that it's, I think it's fine to raise monarchs and raise caterpillars of other butterfly species too for educational purposes, you know, maybe for personal enrichment, but do it in moderation, you know, maybe raise like, you know,

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Sonia Altizer: 4, 5, maybe 10 caterpillars. What worries me is when I see reports of people that are raising like 100, 200, 500 caterpillars for the purpose of releasing them back into the wild, thinking that they are boosting their populations or that they're going to somehow help the migration. There actually are people that will do this, that will also, like up in the northern U.S.,

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Sonia Altizer: Well, in the fall, if they're worried that the monarchs aren't going to migrate successfully south, they'll put monarchs in a FedEx box and mail them to Texas for people to leave there, thinking, again, that they're helping the migration. And I always tell people, don't do it if you think that you're going to be doing it because you want to boost their population numbers or help their migration. That is not helping them survive and migrate in the wild.

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Sonia Altizer: But do it if you want to teach somebody about the beauty of nature, like the amazing life cycles and metamorphosis. In an educational setting, I think that's where I would encourage it and where it can be really useful. And I don't know, Jeremy, I guess you might agree with that, given what you said in your presentation.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Yeah.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Yeah, absolutely.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And we have teachers in our county that does that as well.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And even some of our 4-H groups, you know, just I think I would say that's a perfect answer.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Honestly, I don't know that there's necessarily a full right or full, you know, wrong answer.

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Jeremy Rhoden: But I would agree with that in terms of what she's saying. When you're releasing that many butterflies at one time in the wild too, I mean you don't know what they're carrying or what they can get and then pass along to other wild species because they don't have a built immune system like those others do. So just kind of thinking along those lines and like she mentioned about shipping them to other places, if they have something and now you're shipping them to another state,

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Jeremy Rhoden: you're spreading the disease that way as well. But yeah, I would definitely support the education of it. And you mentioned it earlier, too, in your presentation. Like, in many cases, I jokingly said to Sonia yesterday, I heard somebody say one time that monarch butterflies are the gateway drug into butterfly conservation or pollinator gardening. And in many cases, it kind of is. It is where people get their start in wanting to promote and attract butterflies to their landscape.

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Jeremy Rhoden: And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a really good thing. And so if that happens in the classroom for educational purposes, then absolutely. I think I would fully support that.

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Becky Griffin: I think we're all in agreement there, and that's a very good answer. That does answer the issue.

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Becky Griffin: Carla wants to know if she should take down her bird feeders in the garden in September when she expects the monarchs.

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Sonia Altizer: That's a really great question. I would generally say no. During the fall migration, monarchs are generally pretty heavily chemically defended with these cardenolides that tend to deter bird predation on them. And I think that during that time of year, they probably much more heavily predated by, you know, like large spiders praying mantises than they would by birds.

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Sonia Altizer: You know, by the time that monarchs are several months old, a lot of those cardenolides have decayed to the point that monarchs become quite tasty to bird predators. But that's not the case during the fall migration. So I would say no, there's no reason to take down bird feeders during the fall migration.

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Becky Griffin: Okay, good answer there. Jacqueline is interested in knowing a little bit more about how far a caterpillar will move from a host plant before forming a chrysalis. And do we need to have anything in our gardens to help with chrysalis formation or hiding the chrysalis?

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Sonia Altizer: I'll jump in and then Jeremy can add anything. So I have seen monarchs go surprisingly far away to form a chrysalis and I've seen them form chrysalises in really bizarre places too, like on the bottom of people's mailboxes, on the side, on the siding of their garage. But generally they try to hide their chrysalis and vegetation so they want to, they want to go away and they want to go up.

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Sonia Altizer: in my experience. And so if you have vegetation, like some woody vegetation, tree shrubs around your host plants, that can be really helpful. I have seen them on the sides of brick buildings, you know, where the bricks are hanging over a little bit and they'll form a chrysalis there. And you always feel like when you see a chrysalis, it's like a treat, you know, that nature has rewarded you with seeing this beautiful thing that not many people get to see.

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Sonia Altizer: Yeah. When you think about it, a chrysalis, like they're stuck in there, right? Like they can't move. They can't get away from a predator. So the best thing they can do is hide. Yeah. It's really, it's just a cool life cycle. All right. We're going to take one more question and then the rest of them will be answered and the questions and their answers will be on the same page as the recording. Last question is spraying for mosquitoes contributed to butterfly decline.

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Becky Griffin: I thought you liked that one for the last one.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Yeah, we talked about this yesterday too.

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Jeremy Rhoden: Yeah, you know, this is a question that does come up sometimes in our pollinator programming.

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Jeremy Rhoden: You know, it affects all of them and unfortunately, you know,

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Jeremy Rhoden: It's not it's no secret that mosquitoes kill more people every year than any other animal. And so they spread a lot of disease. They are obviously a big concern. And, you know, when it comes to public officials making decision that protect human lives versus pollinators.

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Jeremy Rhoden: I know it's sad, but you know, it's also understandable, but you know, they gotta do whatever reduces risk in their communities. And so oftentimes that is the case where they are spraying. Some things you can do, I did learn like in our particular county in Florida, which is Marion County, I can't do that.

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Jeremy Rhoden: I can't say this is true of all counties, that you can contact your county and request that you be a no spray zone. It does not mean it's going to happen, but it is something you can put a request in. I also learned that you can go to the Department of Agriculture or, excuse me, Plant and Consumer Services in our in our

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Jeremy Rhoden: State and I'm sure your states have this as well where you can also go and request that you be put on a registry for that so whenever commercial landscapers or commercial sprayers are spraying in your area you are listed on a map indicating that you are an area that cannot have exposure.

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Jeremy Rhoden: If I had to guess, I would imagine these registries are made for people who have health concerns with being on there. But you know, if you're like a registered monarch way station or what registered wildlife habitat, that might justify enough for you to be put on something like that. And of course, educating your local leaders, you know, if you're trying to promote biodiversity with animals and things like that, there's other alternatives that you can try before

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Sonia Altizer: doing broadcast spraying like that, like using those mosquito dunks and using those if you have local retention ponds, things like that. There's things you can do to help reduce the amount of mosquito larvae that are there. So, I don't know, Sonia, do you have anything to add to that? I think that's a really great question. It's one that's very hard to address. We've definitely suspected at times that

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Sonia Altizer: Mosquitoes spraying, especially aerial spraying for mosquitoes, has been responsible for mortality of caterpillars and butterflies. But it's difficult to get data on that. And I also think that maybe there's evidence that there are other ways of controlling mosquitoes outside of spraying that are much more effective.

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Sonia Altizer: And less environmentally harmful, including just getting rid of, you know, like dumping out standing water in small pots of standing water in the yard and just using mosquito repellents. And so I guess I would generally encourage people to think about those alternative methods aside from especially move away from aerial spraying.

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Sonia Altizer: And fogging.

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Sonia Altizer: And we also have like the Bt, the little floating Bt discs that we can put in ponds to, you know, to get rid of mosquitoes. So, you know, on the one hand, I do agree, like there are definite health risks from mosquitoes. But, you know, I think if there are things that we can do to discourage, you know, spraying and fogging, you know, especially during times of year that are really important for butterflies and pollinators, that's useful.

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Sonia Altizer: Yeah.

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Becky Griffin: Sometimes there's not a clear black and white answer for a lot of issues we have to deal with, that's for sure. Well, thank you so much for Sonia and Jeremy today. This was an amazing session. Please tune in next week for small bees. I'm looking forward to that. And you remember for the definition of a small bee for purposes of the census is anything smaller than a honey bee.